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  Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?

  by Monsieur in

  1. watchtower
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  has anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.

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  The man was frail and weak was send to prison and had no chance of making it through without being someone's "whore" .The man was locked up with 8 others in the same cell and when physically challenged he started "calling" his invisible friends .The lights trurned off immediatelly ,beds staring turning around and his cell mates were beaten severely from the "invisible" friends .The guards heard screamings and cryings and when they opened the door of the cell were faced with a cell in chaos ,beds turned upside down and men crying like babies .No one touched him again ...
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  Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?

  by Monsieur in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.

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  yes ,studied with a demon posessed person ,he could only study that much after a while he was "blinded" and always left study before the prayer ,the same with the meeting .I can't say more as I will give out my true identity but there was solid proof that he was under the influence, whether you believe it or not is not my concern
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  Defrauding the elderly ,the following story appeared on ex-jw.com

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the following story appeared on ex-jw.com ,before you read it i want to add my own testimony .some years ago there was an announcement at the kingdlom hall to donate money for the construction of a new kingdom hall ,many brothers and sisters donated their life savings and some considerable amounts .ten years later no kingdom hall and the money has long since being transfered to the watchtower's accounts where it earns them a nice interest .amongst these brothers were also elderly ones that could have used this money for their retirement.now the story :".

  "i am writing this article to share my personal experiences and to disclose to all current and former jehovah's witnesses that the potential for the watchtower organization to take advantage of their elderly parents clearly exists.

  i am specifically referring to the handling of family inheritances, last wills and testaments, estates, family trusts, and the disposition of property and cash assets.. .

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  this is not my family guys ,this is a story which I found very interesting on ex-jw.org and wanted to share with you .My personal expirience is at the begining of the post about defrauding members of the cong
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  Defrauding the elderly ,the following story appeared on ex-jw.com

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the following story appeared on ex-jw.com ,before you read it i want to add my own testimony .some years ago there was an announcement at the kingdlom hall to donate money for the construction of a new kingdom hall ,many brothers and sisters donated their life savings and some considerable amounts .ten years later no kingdom hall and the money has long since being transfered to the watchtower's accounts where it earns them a nice interest .amongst these brothers were also elderly ones that could have used this money for their retirement.now the story :".

  "i am writing this article to share my personal experiences and to disclose to all current and former jehovah's witnesses that the potential for the watchtower organization to take advantage of their elderly parents clearly exists.

  i am specifically referring to the handling of family inheritances, last wills and testaments, estates, family trusts, and the disposition of property and cash assets.. .

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  raymond frantz

  The following story appeared on ex-jw.com ,before you read it I want to add my own testimony .Some years ago there was an announcement at the Kingdlom Hall to donate money for the construction of a new Kingdom Hall ,many brothers and sisters donated their life savings and some considerable amounts .Ten years later no Kingdom Hall and the money has long since being transfered to the Watchtower's accounts where it earns them a nice interest .Amongst these brothers were also elderly ones that could have used this money for their retirement.Now the story :"

  "I am writing this article to share my personal experiences and to disclose to all current and former Jehovah's Witnesses that the potential for the Watchtower organization to take advantage of their elderly parents clearly exists. I am specifically referring to the handling of family inheritances, last wills and testaments, estates, family trusts, and the disposition of property and cash assets.
  
  I'll describe my family's present situation to demonstrate exactly what I mean:

  Our 82-year-old father lived alone after my mother passed away. He has always been proud of his being independent and self-sufficient. That is until a so-called "Pioneer" set foot into his home. This "Pioneer minister" attended the Pioneer School at Bethel, and for a while he actually did some Pioneer service in other countries. After Mother died, our father was cared for primarily by this Pioneer (a representative of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society). That Pioneer's only responsibility was to look after and care for my father's personal needs in exchange for room and board and meals.

  Although we were not notified of his condition, shortly afterwards our father started to show early signs of Alzheimer's disease. As is often typical in cases involving this particular diagnosis, his overall health began to degrade. In spite of the fact that this so-called "Pioneer" and his fellow elders in my father's congregation knew how to contact us, they made sure that we were deliberately kept in the dark about my father's true condition.

  Even though we had a need to know, those elders and the Pioneer made a conscious decision to not keep us informed - in spite of my father's advanced age and physical condition. They knew he was already frail, and his mental condition was diminishing with the onset of Alzheimer's.

  In fact, they tried to influence him to believe that we did not care about his well-being. The Pioneer made statements to our father on a regular basis that implied that we did not care for him as he did because we "resided in another state." This even extended to the congregation's elders because they would not allow our father to talk to me or have any other type of contact with us. They told him that if he continued to have contact with me (or vice versa) he "was not going to make it into Paradise to be with my deceased mother again."

  My sister, who was also shunned by the elders, was able to maintain an open dialogue with our father by telephone calls on a weekly basis. There were times when the Pioneer simply refused to pass our calls to our father. We found that rather strange behavior and wondered if he was hiding the possibility that something might be wrong.

  All of these factors resulted in our father being totally isolated from his own children. Limiting our access allowed them to take advantage of an elderly person unable to make many of his own decisions. Because of his declining health, my father was susceptible to their influences and their ability to control his thoughts and decisions. They also used their appearance of having "religious authority" to create undue influence over him.

  It is a fact: a rapidly growing segment of the population are older persons with severe medical and psychiatric problems that affect their mental and cognitive abilities. Elderly persons like our father, who has been a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses for over 45 years, are even more vulnerable because they have been exposed to brainwashing techniques used by both the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and the elders at the local Kingdom Hall.

  We discovered that they managed to deceive our father into relinquishing his house (which he had totally paid off) and all of his other assets. While we were reviewing his savings account, we discovered that his bank account had been transferred to a new account bearing the name of the Pioneer. My father's stock certificates had also been cashed out.

  Somehow the Pioneer convinced our father to sign a new "Power of Attorney." The Pioneer also coerced Dad into buying him a new automobile, using my father's perfectly good car as a trade-in plus another $17,000 in cash for the purchase. This was in spite of the fact that our father was not permitted to drive; it was clearly unsafe for a man of his age and condition to drive.

  We also discovered a number of IOUs belonging to the elders of the local Kingdom Hall. Money owed to our father and one of the IOUs were used for the construction of a new Kingdom Hall.

  The Elders were aware of the Pioneer's actions and their own involvement while they unscrupulously took advantage of our father's finances.

  Shocked and disgusted, we discovered that within the past six months all of our father's assets had been depleted. The so-called "Pioneer" made himself the sole beneficiary of my father's newly revised will. We were never informed about the execution of our father's new Last Will and Testament and no disclosure of its existence was ever made to us. In fact, we later discovered that all pertinent original legal documents were taken by that "Pioneer" and he has refused to return them to us.

  It would have been obvious to anyone that our father was not sound of mind and body. We know that he would have never relinquished ALL of his assets to unrelated persons the way they claimed he did, especially to anyone unknown to him - if he had not been coerced by the elders and Pioneer. They took advantage of him and were clearly legally negligent in regards to dealing with his declining health.

  Our poor father and mother (now deceased) lost their entire life savings to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Nothing remains. We cannot even afford to pay his medical bills. All of this hardship brought on our family is due to the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses being encouraged to take advantage of elderly members who have substantial financial resources.

  The fact is that Jehovah's Witnesses have a history of using their religious position to unduly influence their elderly members.

  We consulted with two attorneys who will pursue this case of possible criminal exploitation and fraud. We are waiting for a report from the Police Department of Palm Bay, Florida and the State Attorney who specializes on the protection, well-being, and rights of the elderly. My sister and I have decided that we will carry on legal action against those involved as long as necessary. We will assure you that the Jehovah's Witnesses involved will not get away with this. Nothing they did should stand up in court - everything they did appears to have been fraudulent and deliberate.

  I want to emphasize that my sole purpose in submitting this article is not just to disclose my own family's experiences. I also want to inform current or former Jehovah's Witnesses who may have gone through similar situations involving their elderly parents, that there is hope - that justice can be achieved by going through the courts.

  We'd also invite you to share your experiences. We know that we are not alone - certain that there must be many other cases similar to ours. If those of us who have been victims of the Watchtower's exploitation of the elderly unite together - and take legal action against them - we can expose the vile practices of the abusive cult known as "Jehovah's Witnesses."
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  To all the Elders, Ms, Co etc. out there - Are you accountable for the deception

  by *lost* in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if the elders united, rebelled and shut up shop - would it bring down the wt.

  they 'shepherd the flock' - does that make them more accountable than anyone else for the deception and lies and trickery and deceit.. are they all non-believers who are along for the ride ?.

  are they cowardly for taking a stand ?.

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  Responsible ?Of course they are .They purpuatate a lie .Interestingly the Bible says that the elders will have to put a millstone around the neck and jump if they ever wrongly accused a sheep .Now why does the Bible say that ? If you are an elder or ministerial servant step down ,if you stay it is your problem and you will be held accountable from Jehovah .
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  The dividing of the Rank & File Class

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  last thursday the letter for the next annual meeting was read as an announcement at the meeting .as you all know this is the first time the gb makes such a big fuss about it as it will be broadcast in many countries at the same time as the one in new york ,or maybe recorded for the countries with many hours difference .it is the first time that they will include members of the rank & file in such any event ,an event which in yester years was strictly only for the top high ranking officials of the watchtower .. my questions are :.

  is this a new way to approach their masses ?

  stop the allienation between top and bottom ?is this the first time that they also try to visibly divide the rank & file to two classes ?

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  couldn't agree more
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  The dividing of the Rank & File Class

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  last thursday the letter for the next annual meeting was read as an announcement at the meeting .as you all know this is the first time the gb makes such a big fuss about it as it will be broadcast in many countries at the same time as the one in new york ,or maybe recorded for the countries with many hours difference .it is the first time that they will include members of the rank & file in such any event ,an event which in yester years was strictly only for the top high ranking officials of the watchtower .. my questions are :.

  is this a new way to approach their masses ?

  stop the allienation between top and bottom ?is this the first time that they also try to visibly divide the rank & file to two classes ?

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  Last Thursday the letter for the next Annual Meeting was read as an announcement at the meeting .As you all know this is the first time the GB makes such a big fuss about it as it will be broadcast in many countries at the same time as the one in New York ,or maybe recorded for the countries with many hours difference .It is the first time that they will include members of the Rank & File in such any event ,an event which in yester years was strictly only for the top high ranking officials of the Watchtower .

  My questions are :

  1. Is this a new way to approach their masses ? Stop the allienation between top and bottom ?
  2. Is this the first time that they also try to visibly divide the Rank & File to two classes ? To the loyal ones and the not so loyal ones ?
  3. For the first time it feels like an assembly with closed doors, where you will not be invited because you don't tick all the boxes
  4. Could this also be a way to "divide & conquer " rank and file ,especially now that the apostate community is at an all time high ?

  Clapping Monkeys
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  The July 15 Watchtower and all its new light is only...

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  making people cling to the organization more.

  when i found out it was up i told so many people frantically that there is a new study article up and that it had so many changes.

  my mother started crying saying how happy she is to be a part of an organization that is truly directed by jehovah... only the true faithful and discreeet slave could have such insight.... another person began to say how great it is to see the celestial chariot on the move.. .

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  "So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."(2 Thess 2:11,12)

  There is a difference knowing the truth and loving the truth .Jehovah allows an operation of error to act as a way of judgment for all of us .Do everything in your power to AWAKE others
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  JULY 15TH STUDY EDITION :"If ever that evil slave..." page 24

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  box on page 24 of the july 15th titled :"if ever the evil slave....".

  jesus has placed the weightiest of responsibilities on the faithful and discreet slave-namely,overseeing the domestics and giving out spiritual food atthe proper time.

  jesus knew that those with greater responsibility have greater accountability.

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  BOX ON PAGE 24 OF THE JULY 15TH TITLED :"If ever the evil slave...."

  Jesus has placed the weightiest of responsibilities on the faithful and discreet slave-namely,overseeing the domestics and giving out spiritual food atthe proper time. Jesus knew that those with greater responsibility have greater accountability. (Luke12:48) Hence, he concluded his illustration about the faithful anddiscreet slave with a powerful warning.Jesus warned about an evil slave who concludes in his heart that the master is delaying and who starts to beat his fellow slaves. When the master arrives,said Jesus, he will punish that evil slave "with the greatest severity."-Read Matthew 24:48-51.Was Jesus foretelling that there would be an evil slave class in the last days? No.

  ****In the same line of thought was Jesus foretelling that there would be a faithful slave ?If the evil slave is not a specific class of people why should the faithful slave be ?****

  Granted, some individuals have manifested a spirit similar to that of the evil slave described by Jesus. We would call them apostates, whether they were of the anointed or of the"great crowd." (Rev. 7:9) But such ones do not make up an evil slave class. Jesus did not say that he would appoint an evil slave. His words here are actually a warning directed to the faithful and discreet slave.

  ***If this a warning directed to the faithful and discreet slave then these evil slaves must be members of this body ,eitherwise how can this be a real warning ?****

  ***Non appointment is not a determining factor as to whether this is a specific group or not***

  Notice that Jesus introduces the warning with the words "if ever." One scholar says that in the Greek text, this passage "for all practical purposes is a hypothetical condition." In effect, Jesus was saying: 'If the faithful and discreet slave were ever to mistreat his fellow slaves in these ways, this is what the master will do when he arrives.' (See also Luke 12:45.)

  ****They just admitted what they previously rejected ! They just said that the evil slave will be part of the faithful slave class***

  ***To be able to bid your brothers you should be in a position of authority or goverment (Clarke's commentary on the Bible)

  However, the composite faithful and discreet slave has continued to keep on the watch and to provide nourishing spiritual food.The anointed brothers who together serve as the faithful slave recognize that they are accountable to the Master for the way they care for his domestics. The heartfelt desire of these anointed brothers is to fulfill their responsibility loyally so that they might hear a"well done" from the Master when he finally arrives.

  ***Self assuming statement ! We have continued to keep on the watch (1914,1919,1975,overlapping generations...) and to provide nourishing spiritual food .(Why don't you let Jesus decide if you REALLY did that)
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  AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

  http://www.jwactivists.org.

  facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

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